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The Money Maker Protocol

18 Nov

Yesterday I went to a very old park in the city. I won’t call it a hunted out park because, really, ALL our parks are hunted out! Anyway, a couple of years ago, a pair of detectorists hit this park with their E-tracs and pulled a number of very cool coins out of there. Needless to say, scores of other detectorists descended upon this park but none repeated the impressive results the two guys with their Minelabs achieved.
The park is, of course, very trashy and, as it is very popular today, the trash continues to pile up.

I myself have hunted this park a number of times and managed to pull a silver coin now and again. This time however, I took my XP Deus to this park with a very specific protocol in mind. Protocol is a fancy word for what you all do now when detecting. Do you dig a signal or not? The answer to that question depends on your protocol.

I specifically wanted to try the spot where the two guys mentioned above found all their coins. Heck, I was there for one of their hunts and watched as one of them dug up a super cool Seated dime. I know they did a very thorough job at that spot but being me, and the reputation of the E-track notwithstanding,  I believe there are still many cool coins to be had there.

I walked to the very spot where KansasDave found that Seated dime that morning and I began applying my protocol. I had to dig a couple of rusted bottle caps to establish some parameters and then I began to seriously look for treasure. Not long I had a couple of signals that fit the criteria of the Money Making Protocol. The first coin was a wheat minted in 1919. Cool. Next signal was a wheat from 1918.  Next signal turned out to be a very toasted V nickel. I can barely make out the first two numbers of the date: 18xx.
V-nickel

I continued and dug up a couple of small pieces of aluminum foil. The protocol is susceptible to this so I still need to refine it. Not to worry though as my next signal gifted me with this beauty:
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A 1917 Type 1 Standing Liberty Quarter.
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A few feet away, the next signal turned out to be a 1901 Barber dime with a New Orleans mint mark:
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The last signal of the hunt was a very deep 1964 memorial. Geez!

So I think that the Money Maker Protocol is a winner. I wouldn’t apply this protocol to just any park. It is designed for very old parks.

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Hopefully I will get to hunt a bit more this Fall and Winter.

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The Mystery Token Again

30 May

Not being able to stand it any longer, I went to the park with Maurice. I really wanted to revisit some voodoo that you can do with the Deus to gain ludicrous depth. Not to beat the proverbial dead horse but the one thing about upper level detectors is that you can continue to find new ways to extend their capabilities, in essence, getting a new detector.

Be that as it may, I was at the old hunted-out park (is there any other kind anywhere in the world?) testing this voodoo I spoke of earlier when I got a signal where I knew there were none left. So I went for it. The target turned out to be a metal object slightly larger than a U.S. quarter. Sweet. Then, not two feet away, I again got a signal. Both of the targets were around the 9 inch mark, which I call deepish because to me, deep starts at 10 inches.

The first target appears to be the front of a pin from the first commercial corn cob pipe factory in the United States, the Missouri Meerschaum Cob Pipe Company. I tried and tried to date this particular design with no success. The company is still in business today. The second target is the third M.K. token I have found at this very same spot. Equally, I have no information on this token. The best I can do is guess that it is a reproduction of the Mein Kampf tokens that Hitler’s supporters would make in Germany out of bus tokens back when Hitler was in jail.

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Above is a picture of one of the tokens from the Berlin Omnibus system. The M.K. would be stamped on the reverse of the token. Although not dated, this particular design was released in 1917.

Although I could be wrong, the idea is not too far fetched. There was support for the Nazi party in the U.S. until the bombing of Pearl Harbor. In my beloved city, the party even had a headquarters.

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I am very excited for this new hunting strategy. I am not even running the latest version of the Deus software, which many report, adds depth to the Deus. I am updating as soon as time permits and re-hunt some promising spots around our fair city.

I’ll keep you posted.

Three Ringer Circus and other things

10 Mar

This past Saturday, Maurice and I were invited to hunt an awesome site out in Western Kansas (Thank you Keith!). The scenery was Dances With Wolves beautiful and the history of the area is fascinating; a history which includes (it is claimed) Custer himself.

It was a great hunt on a beautiful day with some great company. I always believed that I would never find a three ringer bullet unless I went East, to the hallowed fields of the Civil War. But I was wrong. I found my first three ringer bullet at this site. I will post a picture of it later. Although slightly flattened, the bullet is complete. I found two other three ringers but they were heavily damaged, I would guess when they made contact with a person or an American Bison (known around these parts as Buffalo). I also found a pouchful of cartridges, most of them as old as the history of the place. All in all it was a fantastic trip, one which I hope to make again.

Today at lunch, I went to Riverside park to begin one of many experiments regarding masking. I posit that there are many coins that are being masked by deep iron. So I’ve decided to spend 30 minutes every hunt digging deep iron signals. Today, I dug 9 iron signals. Only the second iron signal revealed an hitherto masked coin. I am excited because although the ratio of iron to non-iron targets in this experiment was 9:1, I am betting that all coins being masked by deep iron are very old coins. This coin was a dateless Buff but I think I can make a very faint 16 at the end of the date, which could conceivably make this Buff a 1916 coin. I will keep you posted.

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Another controversial post

6 Mar

I took my XP Deus metal detector, Maurice, to an old park I frequent. I have found my share of silver at this park. The park goes back over 100 years so there are old, deep coins there. As with all the parks in my beloved city, this one has been hunted thoroughly. So it was sort of a surprise when, upon moving to a spot new to me, I began to find clad. In the 40 minutes I was there I found four clad dimes and two memorials, all from the 60’s with the exception of a 1959 memorial and none deeper than 5 inches.

Now my friend Steve would say that somebody cherry-picked the silver. But I don’t believe that is possible. Yes, let me put that succinctly: You Can Not Cherry-pick Silver.

Oh I can hear you all now: “You ignorant fool”, “What do YOU know, pulltab?”, “I know a guy who can do it”. Yes, it is true that I don’t know every machine out there. But I don’t have to. All I have to know is this: If there was a machine out there that could cherry-pick silver, it would by now, be the only machine in the market, having put all other brands out of business.

Wha-wha-wha-whaaaaat!!?? Yes. This is why that would happen. We, metal detectorists we, are braggarts. We love to show off our finds. That is why we have blogs, forums and clubs and that is why we like to hunt with friends. The second we unearth something shiny and cool, we turn into 9 year olds again, and we rush to tell our buddies about it. And our friends oblige and ooh and aah at our cool, cool find. Don’t deny it. I’ve seen it happen many times. When my friend lawdog1 found his super cool Seated quarter, I was doing cartwheels for him, and I thought he was the coolest guy in the world because he found that coin.

And so, if there was a detector out there that could cherry-pick silver, we would ALL know about it by now. And we would know whatever settings we needed to make the cherry-picking happen. No matter how well guarded the secret, somebody would tell his close friend, who would tell his close friend, who would brag about it in a forum. When LookingForSeated and those guys were finding all that silver with their E-tracs, suddenly everyone was buying etracs. When people began finding all kinds of cool things with their AT Pro, the AT Pro began to sell like hot cakes. So when this mythical machine appears, this pattern will hold.

Now, this is not to say that the Etrac and the AT Pro are not good machines; they are in fact, very good machines, but neither of them can cherry-pick silver. I have hunted with enough Etrac users by now, to know that the Etrac users will get fooled by an aluminum wine screwcap as often as AT Pro users are. I, with the mighty Deus, still dig aluminum screw caps because they can sound just like a dime. About the only time a detector might cherry-pick silver is if the conditions are ideal, the user fully experienced with the machine, and the dimes are on the surface, laying flat.

But don’t let me bring you down. I myself will be very sad the day they finally make a machine that can id a buried object with 100% accuracy at 24 inches deep. Right now I rather enjoy the uncertainty of metal detecting; it makes finding those keepers so much sweeter.

***Ozarks from the Ozarks Metal Detecting Blog, points out that you can cherry pick tones and I agree. That’s the best you can hope for. But if you are leaving coins in the ground because you are sure they are not silver, please let me know where you hunt! :)***

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Windy and silvery

11 Feb

I went to Riverside park at lunch time today. Maurice was itching to find some silver. It was cold and windy but a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.

I actually went looking for gold. It has been a while since I found any of the yellow stuff. Plus, I need the cash; to get me one of them Blisstools.

So there I was looking for pull tab signals when I run into my first old coin; a dateless Buffalo. A little later I got a screamer of a dime signal and produced a 1977 clad dime. A few feet away, I got another screaming dime signal. Thinking that I was going to pull out another clad dime, imagine my surprise when I saw that shinny 1939 Mercury dime!

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At the end, besides the coins, I ended up with 6 pull tabs and about a dozen pieces of can slaw. It seems to me, judging by the endless foil signals, that someone lined up a dozen or so aluminum cans and just ran the mower on top of them. Can slaw is at the top of my most hated trash to dig up. Alas, I have to take the bad with the good.

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The Tale Of Two Wheat Cents

22 Jan

Yesterday I went to another old park in my city at lunch time. Since I’ve changed the settings on my XP Deus metal detector, I have yet again began to revisit old sites that I thought were bereft of good targets.

At this spot, back in 2013, I found two war nickels and one mercury dime from the 20’s plus a handful of wheats from the 40’s and 50’s. I began hunting with my new settings and before my lunch hour was over I had managed to find two more wheats; one, at a little over 8 inches deep, was a 1927D.
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The other one, found at about 5 inches deep, was a 1952D.
1952D

What’s interesting about these two wheats is the difference in depth at which they were found. As I said before, at this spot I had found a handful of coins from the 40’s and 50s. I remember well that those coins were also found around 5 inches deep except for the merc from the 20’s which was found around 8 inches deep.

So why the difference? The answer lies on the fact that back at the turn of the century, a house sat at the spot. You can see the house in a 1938 aerial photograph of the park but not in a 1950 aerial photograph of the same park. What makes me think that the house was built at the turn of the century and not after you may ask? There are houses on the opposite side of the street that are of the Italianate style (that’s the proper name of the style we call Victorian) and so I assume that the house that stood at that spot of the park was also of the same style. I could be wrong.

The important fact however is that by 1950, the house was gone and the land had become part of the park. This brings me to the mystery of the different depths for the coins. I posit that the coins from the 40’s and 50’s were dropped by people using the park after the house was gone but the older coins from the 20’s were dropped by the inhabitants of said house while the house was still standing.

This is probably of no interest whatsoever to neurologically typical folk (that’s fancy scientific talk for what we call normal) but to metal detectorists, this information is of great value. Now I know that there are things from an earlier time deep in the dirt there. I am still digging old house parts from there; you know, the stuff made of brass and ornate even though they were utilitarian objects such as valves and such. Another thing that I now know is that I must remove all the trash near the surface so that I can reveal all the deep and old stuff that is being masked.

One last thing; I tell people that a mid level detector such as the AT Pro or the F5 is good enough to find 80% of what a high end detector will. This begs the question as to why we should spend the money on a high end detector. The answer is that a high end detector can grow and change and add dimensions to your hunt. I am not advocating you should run and spend a couple of grand on a new machine. Let your present machine pay for a new machine later. When you are more experienced and are ready to expand your hunt, consider a high end machine.

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The Old Standby

30 Jul

I am glad to have a standby park that will provide me with silver in lean times. I have spoken about this park extensively in the past and I am happy to know that other people have began to hunt it besides me. I know there are 1000’s of coins still under that dirt, alas, a little too deep for most detectors today. I plan on buying a Russian detector later this year that will hopefully get me to those coins.

Anyway, I decided to hunt the ol’ standby at lunch today in spite of a light drizzle falling and getting everything wet. By the way, the XP Deus is almost water proof as the stock headphones are rain proof. If you remove the controller and put it in your pocket (or in a zip lock bag) you’re good to go in the rain.

It was a good hunt:

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A dateless Buffalo (only the second one this year), a 1946 wheat, and a 1958 Roosevelt dime. The button is kind of cool too. It reminds me of the coat buttons of the 50’s and 60’s.

So this year has been very different than last year, both in the time dedicated to the hobby and in the number of finds but I won’t complain too much as I am very blessed elsewhere. Perhaps this year will be a year of quality instead of quantity. I mean, I already found a Shield nickel, who knows what else is around the corner?

Keep on swinging!

 

My oldest coin thus far

21 Jul

Wow, I really need to post more often!

I have been looking for gold as I mentioned before but I have found none. I spent four days in St. Louis MO but I didn’t get to take my detector. It was very hard walking around Forest Park and not having Maurice with me. I did see a guy detecting with an AT Pro but since it was our family vacation I didn’t run to talk to him to see what he was finding.

Alas, to top it all off, my friend luckydog1 er, I mean, lawdog1, was killing it finding a NICE Morgan silver dollar, a NICE Franklin half and an assortment of Mercs, Rosies and other awesome coins.

So when I came back home, I was determined to go out hunting.

Yesterday, I decided to visit a nearby town that has produced very nicely for other hunters. The town, albeit small, has a large and very old park. For this hunt I put away the Compadre and dusted off Maurice. I spent three hours there and found only one coin worth talking about:

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Yep, that’s my first ever Shield Nickel. It is worn smooth but you can see enough detail. With a magnifying glass the 67 part of the date can be made out faintly. The Shield nickel was designed in 1866. The original design had rays emanating from the center and going between the stars surrounding the number 5. This design was changed in 1867 because of difficulties with the striking of the pattern. Starting in 1867, the 5 was surrounded by stars but no rays were on it.  So the rays were only on coins made in 1866 and part of 1867.

This was a coin long on my list and now I can scratch it off. This makes up for all my failed hunts this year!

Finding this coin made me decide to start hunting on my lunch hour again.

Thank you for looking!

Sometimes less is more

27 Jun

On my second day of hunting with the Compadre, I met a fellow hunter at an old park.

Surprisingly, I wasn’t finding very many pull tabs there so I decided to try the Compadre at the spot in the park that has produced 10 silvers and which I know is heavily iron laden. First target was a small piece of old, unidentifiable brass. I was impressed because I’ve covered this spot from every direction and about 100 times with Maurice (my XP Deus detector). Next target was a big and loud signal. Again, I’ve removed all signals from this spot except for the iron so I was one more time surprised. After a minute or two of digging I produced this from the hole:
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This little shield pin is about one inch tall by 1/2 inch wide. It is (was) gold plated. The back has no writing of any kind but the gold plating is more obvious there. It looks to be old, I would say pre-1940’s. The pin on the back is missing but the welding is plainly visible.

Not much to talk about other than I found it with the Mighty Compadre at a spot that I thought Maurice and I had thoroughly cleaned. I must say however that this spot continues to produce targets and probably will continue to produce targets in the future.

One last thing; I am using the iPhone ear plugs since the Compadre only has one beep at one volume and fancy headphones are not required. I had forgotten what a royal pain in the behind wires are! I am now in the process of researching some kind of wireless solution for my Compadre. I can’t go back to wires. Don’t ask me.

Thank you for looking!

I’m not dead yet!

23 Jun

I can’t believe it’s been so long since my last post!

I am back in the game though. I’ve managed three hunts in as many days. For my return to my beloved hobby, me and Maurice are looking for gold.

Now, I’ve heard tales and I’ve heard fables about people who can tell gold by the type of signal they get. Not to call anyone a liar but I am highly skeptical of this. I remember ONCE, with the AT Pro, getting a nickel signal that was silky and full and all kinds of groovy and finding a pendant in the hole when I dug the signal. That was it however. Not before and not since have I gotten a signal like that on a mid tone. Even the gold rings I have found sounded like a plain old mid tone signal.

So, this means I am digging every signal between high foil and pull tab. It’s unforgiving work let me tell you. So far, I estimate a total of 180 pull tabs, and about half that number in aluminum foil. Out of all that I have found a Wichita Transportation token from the 60’s and a pretty metal button. Brutal.

Oh, and I am digging every bottle cap as well. I have dug about 100 bottle caps so far in these three hunts. The reason for digging the bottle caps is that when I look for gold, I don’t meander around but rather, I pick a spot and work every signal there. It keeps me from losing my mind because as I am looking for gold, I am also cleaning a spot for future deep-signal hunting. To this end, I am selective about the spots I choose.
A) They have to be target rich. That tells me that there was heavy human activity in the past.
B) They have to be spots that are no longer popular, thus ensuring all targets are old-ish.

Hunts like these make me wish I had started metal detecting in my 20’s. Right now, I can do this non-stop for about three hours. After that, my attention wanes and all I want is a sandwich and a drink. Once I stop, I am useless as my body stiffens and all I am good for is sitting and watching tv.

I intend to keep on going until I score a ring, or a chain or some other gold item. Stay tuned for updates.

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